Carter and Ben come to a climactic realization they do not know where one came from and also the other. They talk it over. Other topics include:

- Christmas music

- Carter's favorite Radiohead phases

- What we refer to affectionately as "The North Country"

- What we refer to affectionately as "Mathcore That Carter Plays"

- The Peavey T40 Bass

- What we refer to affectionately as "Ben's Career As A Guitar Slinger Out West"

- Musical Humility pt. 2

- Carter's Warm-Ups 1/3

- Charlie Christian

- Revstar Standard

- What we refer to affectionately as  "How to Relic a Guitar With a Hammer"

- John Petrucci's "Rock Discipline" (A Golden Era Of Talkin' 'Bout Guitar)

- You Know We're All Gonna Call You An Old Man

- A Picture Of Creativity: Catching A Fish

- The Rhythm Hand

- Topon Das // Apartment 2 Recording

- I Don't Think That's The Gear's Fault

- The Most Unobtanium Stuff

- The Bordeaux 12" Princeton (Segue to Iron Supremacy)

- The Ocean by Lead Zepper (Segue to Jim Martin and Jeff)

- Treble is Scary

- Modern vs. Vintage voicing

- Bamps (Ben's amps)

- Thousand Dollar Rebuild Hypothetical

- Shouts out to Gorham Bros. Music