Why would you put a prison leader and a corporate executive in a mutual mentoring model and what's in it for them? Andy explains the how and why of his unique partnership. 

We also talk bubbles and silos; the importance of getting out of them in order to recalibrate frames of reference and to check in with what 'good' actually looks like. We finish with Andy's somewhat different take on playing the long game and his reveal that - like David Attenborough - he plans to keep going till his mid-90s and what that means for the lifespan v heathspan equation.

These podcasts don't get made unless Tom Haigh of Sound Post Production www.tomhaigh.com and interviewer Tony Maguire www.boxkik.com decide to roll out of bed. Fortunately for me I still seem to be giving them reason to do so. Chapeau, gentlemen.