Today I have with me Moritz Müller-Freitag, COO and co-founder of TwentyBN and let me tell you something: today's conversation was a blast.

TwentyBN, which stands for Twenty Billion Neurons, is a company building human-centric AI technology and bringing seeing and sociable digital assistants to life.

We start by talking about the company's origin story and their first product, a smart virtual fitness trainer, and then we move on to the difference between building a company in Berlin and Toronto, whether innovation in AI is slowing down and his playbook for building deep-tech companies.

But then the conversation warms up and we go into very Seedtable-esque topics like the second-order consequences of regulation, his unique process for picking books, the lessons we both draw from Robert Caro's writing, and much, much more.

Moritz caught my attention on Twitter thanks to his quarantine reading challenge called "The Pandemic Book Club" and his review of a fantastic new book called Disunited Nations and I'm so happy I DM'ed him because I had so much fun. So there's nothing else to say than I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.