After a long and winding road, David and Ernie were able to affirm:

1. The most important thing is Loving More Like Jesus
2. The next important thing is tools to help us Love More Like Jesus
3. There aren't any great answers for what will do that
4. The best way to develop such tools is iterating around Revelation, Reason, and Experience

Ernie then shared his belief that hierarchical authority structures are fatally flawed because they discourage the very authenticity and humility necessary for growing in love. David conceded those problems, but challenged Ernie's exclusive focus on non-hierarchical alternatives. Surprisingly, Ernie conceded the point, perhaps because he was excited about exploring a new model (building on David's moderation last week), and didn't really care whether it was hierarchical or not.

In this model:

• Ted is the Host, providing the Zoom and YouTube, plus the intro)
• Ernie is the Creative, curating the content and shaping topics
• David is the Moderator, ensuring everyone is heard and proposing topics

Intriguingly, this resembles the sort of Test-Driven Development both Ernie and David practice with software.  And created a context where they were able to mutually affirm each other's value in this journey.

References

• Automated Transcript
• The Great Reset (S5E5)
• NP-Completeness (Wikipedia)