Vanessa is joined with her mum Ani Topia to discuss death! Ani is a end of life doula and death has always been celebrated in Maori culture. She touches on Maori protocol,  fear around death and normalsing death. She touches on her journey with being an end of life doula and she also offers practical tips on preparing for death and having the conversation.

I appreciated this conversation so much!!

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