Do you need an idea before you create something, or does going through the motions of creating something precede the idea? Sam and Simon reach some conclusions.

Stuff mentioned in this episode:

• Slate’s podcasts, including Gabfest.
• Stephen King’s On Writing: A memoir of the craft, again.
• Salmon-wrestling in the Yemen, our smart friend Jono’s comic.
• Derek Sivers and his book, Anything you want.
• Zombie Dice.
• Paper by FiftyThree.
• A picture of Macaulay Culkin wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Ryan Gosling wearing a t-shirt that has a picture of Macaulay Culkin.
• Party Monster.
• Afrika Burn where Sam spoke to god and Simon saw some fire.
• How Sound – the backstory to great radio storytelling.
• The largest vocabulary in hip hop.
• Undercurrent – the organisation Sam referred to.

Macaulay Culkin wearing a t-shirt with a picture of Ryan Gosling wearing a t-shirt that has a picture of Macaulay Culkin

And Popeye. Not so full of iron.