In this week's episode Deena Metzger speaks with Joanna about her newest novel, "A Rain of Night Birds": a needed conversation about climate change and the survival of humankind; the dominator mindset; attuned to the Earth and the Universe;  seeing the world like an indigenous woman would; feeling what the Earth feels; Earth as a being; meeting the pain of earth and indigenous people; clearing the sight with tears of grief; receiving the wisdom ways of the wild; the revealers of beauty; being in the elements; writing with an open view.