Join special guests Bruce McKenzie (Be Systemics) and David Lilley (Holos Consulting) as they explore the intersection between movement building and systems change and how to grow shared efforts from transactional to transformational change.

In this episode, Bruce and David traverse topics such as depowering our ego to harness everyone’s contributions, expertise and experience, and letting go of the notion of a single solution to tackle complex challenges. They also share gems for working together differently such as deliberately looking for the verb in every exchange.

This Clarion Call Podcast series explores movement building for whole of community change and how to do this in the real world.