Pam has a candid conversation with a former drug and alcohol abuser. they discuss how it is possible to move from darkness into the light. I believe we can overcome anything with faith in something bigger than ourselves and a supportive program/community that gives back by helping others. Pam says, "we are all broken, cracked people--I believe that's how the light get's in." You might wonder, "why an anonymous conversation?" Anonymity provides protection for all members of a program from identification as alcoholics, a safeguard often of special importance to newcomers. Therefore, this program is based on attraction rather than promotion. https://www.talkingjoy.org