In this episode of Apes on Tape, Fred and Benji dive into some big life changes and deep conversations. Fred talks about moving into a new place, the challenges of downsizing, and how minimalism takes on a whole new dimension when you have a disability. Meanwhile, Benji reflects on his gratitude for becoming a Portuguese resident.

They also revisit a listener’s message about God—someone who found a similar sense of meaning in spirituality that Fred and Benji often discuss through the lens of psychedelics. This sparks an honest conversation about why religious language can feel so loaded, the similarities between mystical experiences and faith, and how to stay open to different perspectives without feeling like you’re being preached to.

It’s a thought-provoking, laid-back chat with plenty of insights, laughter, and a few existential tangents.