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"And it's a, it's a journey, it really isn't a destination in, once they get to that part of the process, because where they start in their career is definitely different from where they will retire down the road. So there's going to be different seasons and faces and shapes to what that looks like. But the beginning part of like the learning has to connect to that next part with, with the working. So how do we make that make sense for them?"