It's holiday time so the lurgy has inevitably hit, but the team are cracking on with the podcast nonetheless. They disturb the Mediterranean vacation of long-term pal and recent convert to the exams world, Marina Antoniou, and hear all about her experience of working in a high-performing school in south London. They also speculate on why exams officers are often given other jobs to do, and talk about the incentives and disincentives involved in moving jobs. Sophie discovers why John sees himself as being more like a Steven Gerrard or a Paul Scholes than a Lee Hendrie.

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