MusiConversations on Jazz

MusiConversations on Jazz

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MusiConversations on Jazz episodes

  • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Jaco Pastorius - Season 1a Episode 7 - Originally Aired 2021

    As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of the Schu-Memories series, Tom Schuman reflects on his encounter with the legendary bassist Jaco Pastorius and the personal struggles that shaped Jaco’s life and career.


    Influence of Weather Report and Jaco:

    • Tom shares his admiration for Weather Report, particularly the impact of Jaco Pastorius, whose talent elevated the band's rhythm and energy.
    • Jaco’s contributions to the band brought youthful brilliance and a wider audience.


      • Meeting Jaco at Bradley’s Jazz Club:

      • In the late 1980s, Tom met Jaco at Bradley’s in New York City.
      • They bonded over their shared musical journeys, with Jaco recounting a humorous anecdote about being mistaken for Spyro Gyra by a cab driver.


        • Jaco’s Struggles:

        • Jaco exhibited self-destructive behavior exacerbated by alcohol, leading to difficult moments during their interaction.
        • Tom expressed concern for Jaco’s well-being, even offering him a place to stay to help him recover. However, Jaco distanced himself from Tom after this conversation.


          • Jaco’s Tragic End:

          • Jaco’s life was cut short in 1987 after an altercation with a bouncer, resulting in his untimely death at 35.
          • Tom reflects on Jaco’s immense talent and how his music continues to inspire, despite his troubled life.
            • 12 min
          • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Miles Davis - Season 1a Episode 6 - Originally Aired 2021

            As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of the Schu-Memories series, Tom Schuman shares his memorable encounter with jazz legend Miles Davis during a 1981 concert at Red Rocks Amphitheater in Colorado.


            The Setting:

            • Spyro Gyra shared the stage with Miles Davis, who had just released "The Man with the Horn" album.
            • Miles’ ensemble featured Mike Stern, Al Foster, Marcus Miller, and saxophonist Bill Evans.


              • Meeting Miles Davis:

              • After the soundcheck, Tom nervously approached Miles at his dressing room.
              • Despite Miles’ reputation for being moody, he was welcoming, thanked Tom for a fruit basket Spyro Gyra had sent, and invited him in to meet his band.
              • Tom humorously pretended to be introduced to band members he already knew, cherishing the moment orchestrated by Miles.


                • Memorable Performance:

                • Miles opened the concert with "Backseat Betty" in a dramatic fashion: lighting and flicking away a cigarette as a signal to start the powerful, guitar-driven song.
                • Due to scheduling, Miles performed first, allowing Spyro Gyra to humorously claim, “Miles Davis opened for us.”


                  • Reflections:

                  • Tom fondly recalls Miles’ congenial demeanor and the opportunity to interact with one of the greatest figures in jazz history.
                  • He admired the impeccable musicianship of Miles’ band and the unforgettable impact of their performance.
                    • 10 min
                  • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Dizzy Gillespie - Season 1a Episode 5 - Originally Aired 2021

                    As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of the Schu-Memories series, Tom Schuman recounts a memorable experience with jazz legend Dizzy Gillespie during the 1982 Newport Jazz Festival in Madurao, Japan.

                    The Setting

                    • Spyro Gyra participated in a George Wein production of the Newport Jazz Festival near Mount Fuji.
                    • The festival brought together legendary artists such as Dizzy Gillespie, Freddie Hubbard, Lee Ritenour, Gil Evans, and Tanya Maria.
                    • The remote festival location and limited nightlife turned musicians' hotel rooms into gathering spots, fostering camaraderie.


                      • The Song “Dizzy”

                      • Tom had just completed the *Carnaval* album with Spyro Gyra and carried a cassette mix of the track “Dizzy,” a tribute to Dizzy Gillespie, co-written with drummer Eli Konicoff.
                      • The funky tune featured contributions from Randy Brecker, Hiram Bullock, and other talented musicians.


                        • Playing the Track for Dizzy

                        • On the bus ride to the festival, Tom approached Dizzy and asked if he’d like to hear the song dedicated to him.
                        • Dizzy enthusiastically listened to the track on a Sony Walkman, dancing and expressing his approval.
                        • After hearing it, Dizzy praised the song and Randy Brecker's trumpet but humorously asked why he wasn’t invited to play on it, leaving Tom both flattered and regretful.


                          • Reflection

                          • The experience of receiving Dizzy’s approval on a song written in his honor was a career highlight for Tom.
                          • Despite missing the chance to collaborate, Tom cherished the opportunity to share the moment with such a legendary figure.


                            • 8 min
                          • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on BB King - Season 1a Episode 4 - Originally Aired 2021

                            As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of the Schu-Memories series, Tom Schuman’s shares his memorable encounter with blues legend B.B. King during the 1989 JVC Grand Parade du Jazz in Nice, France.


                            Meeting B.B. King

                            • Tom approached B.B. King outside the bar at the Hyatt hotel, introducing himself.
                            • B.B. surprised Tom by recognizing him and praising Spyro Gyra’s music, leaving Tom deeply honored and humbled.


                              • A Conversation About Sobriety

                              • At the time, Tom was struggling with staying sober amidst the festival atmosphere.
                              • He sought B.B.’s advice, and B.B. responded candidly, suggesting that Tom should enjoy life because "you never know when you're going to go." While lighthearted, this advice encouraged Tom to reflect but ultimately stay on the wagon that day.


                                • Balancing Music and Relationships

                                • Tom asked B.B. about maintaining relationships while leading a life on the road.
                                • B.B.’s humorous and insightful response, “I don’t need help being miserable. I can be miserable all by myself,” highlighted his deep connection to his music, which he personified as his true companion.
                                  • 5 min
                                • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Buddy Tate - Season 1a Episode 3 - Originally Aired 2021

                                  This podcast episode features a heartfelt story from Tom Schuman about his encounter with legendary saxophonist Buddy Tate at the 1989 JVC Grand Parade du Jazz in Nice, France.


                                  The Festival Setting

                                  • The festival was an 11-day jazz event featuring legendary performers such as Dizzy Gillespie, Jimmy Heath, Lionel Hampton, B.B. King, and others.
                                  • Spyro Gyra performed during the festival, which concluded with a lively party at the Hyatt hotel near the beach in Nice.


                                    • Meeting Buddy Tate

                                    • Tom met Buddy Tate, a former member of the Count Basie and Lionel Hampton bands, at the festival’s after-party.
                                    • Buddy was sharing stories about his career and the racial discrimination he faced, including being barred from entering venues like the Cotton Club and Birdland through the front door or using basic amenities due to segregation.


                                      • A Powerful Moment

                                      • Moved by Buddy’s stories, Tom expressed his remorse, saying, “How can you even talk to a guy like me?”
                                      • Buddy responded with kindness, reassuring Tom that he understood it wasn’t his fault, embodying the familial and forgiving spirit of the jazz community.


                                        • Reflections on Jazz Community

                                        • Tom highlights the camaraderie and acceptance within the jazz world, emphasizing that being part of the music community felt like belonging to a family.
                                          • 6 min
                                        • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Cab Calloway - Season 1a Episode 2 - Originally Aired 2021

                                          As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of Schu-Memories features Tom Schuman recounting another memorable story from his decades-long music career, specifically his encounter with jazz legend Cab Calloway at the North Sea Jazz Festival in 1992.


                                          The Setting: North Sea Jazz Festival 1992

                                          • Tom describes the festival as an extraordinary event featuring legends like Cab Calloway, Chick Corea, McCoy Tyner, Betty Carter, and Gladys Knight.
                                          • Spyro Gyra performed on the same night as Grover Washington Jr. and the Yellowjackets, making it an unforgettable experience.


                                            • The Challenge of Following Weather Report

                                            • Reflecting on a previous year’s performance, Tom shares how daunting it was to perform after Weather Report, whose powerful set was both inspiring and intimidating.
                                            • Despite initial nerves, Spyro Gyra successfully connected with their own audience later in the night.


                                              • Meeting Cab Calloway

                                              • On the morning after Spyro Gyra's performance, Tom spotted Cab Calloway sitting alone outside their hotel.
                                              • Sensing Calloway’s dejection, Tom approached him, introduced himself, and offered to get him something.


                                                • Sharing Ice Cream with a Legend

                                                • Calloway declined coffee due to health reasons but requested ice cream instead.
                                                • Tom bought cones for both of them, and they quietly shared a moment together, enjoying their ice cream without much conversation.
                                                • The simplicity of this encounter left a lasting impression on Tom, who reflected on Calloway’s monumental contributions to music and culture.


                                                  • Lessons from the Encounter

                                                  • Tom emphasizes the humility and grace he observed in Calloway, contrasting it with the weight of his immense legacy.
                                                  • He credits his open-hearted nature for allowing him to connect with iconic figures and cherishes the experience as a "brush with greatness."
                                                    • 9 min
                                                  • MusiConversations on Jazz - Schu-Memories by Tom Schuman on Count Basie - Season 1a Episode 1 - Originally Aired 2021

                                                    As an extension to MusiConversations on Jazz, this episode of the Schu-Memories series, features Tom Schuman reflecting on his early career with Spyro Gyra and a life-changing encounter with jazz legend Count Basie.

                                                    Introduction to Touring and Festivals

                                                    • Tom recalls joining Spyro Gyra as a teenager and his excitement at playing in local Buffalo clubs.
                                                      • Touring internationally with Spyro Gyra opened the door to encounters with jazz greats and solidified his commitment to the band.


                                                        • The North Sea Jazz Festival (1979)

                                                        • The band's first major international festival took place in The Hague, Netherlands.
                                                        • Tom describes the festival as a historic event featuring legendary acts like Ella Fitzgerald, Chick Corea, Dizzy Gillespie, and Oscar Peterson.
                                                        • Spyro Gyra performed alongside such icons as Grover Washington Jr., Woody Shaw, and Sun Ra.


                                                          • Breakfast with Count Basie

                                                          • On the morning of July 14, Tom attended the complimentary breakfast offered by his hotel.
                                                          • While scanning the crowded dining area, he was invited to sit by none other than Count Basie.
                                                          • Joining Basie at the table were Ray Brown (renowned bassist) and Jim Hall (jazz guitarist).


                                                            • A Memorable Conversation

                                                            • Tom recalls the friendly atmosphere, with the jazz legends sharing stories about their experiences, including the racism they faced as Black musicians in America.
                                                            • Despite being starstruck, Tom felt warmly welcomed and humbled by their kindness and camaraderie.


                                                              • Key Takeaway

                                                              • The encounter left a profound impression on Tom, teaching him about the enduring spirit of community, friendship, and love among musicians, even in the face of adversity.


                                                                • Closing Reflection

                                                                • Tom emphasizes the importance of these formative experiences in shaping his career and outlook on life.
                                                                  • 11 min
                                                                • MusiConversation on Jazz with 40+ year Bandmate Jay Beckenstein, Host Tom Schuman - Season 1 Episode 10 - Originally Aired Dec 2007

                                                                  This episode of MusiConversations on Jazz features Host Tom Schuman and Guest Jay Beckenstein, longtime collaborators and members of Spyro Gyra, in a heartfelt conversation reflecting on their 40+ years together in the smooth jazz genre.


                                                                  Spyro Gyra’s Longevity and Legacy

                                                                  • The duo reflects on the band's longevity, attributing their success to mutual respect, creative collaboration, and a shared passion for music.
                                                                  • Their pioneering efforts helped define smooth jazz, with over 30 albums and 11 Grammy nominations to their name.


                                                                    • Early Days and Musical Influences

                                                                    Jay’s Background:

                                                                    • Jay’s musical journey was deeply influenced by his mother, an opera singer, and his father, a jazz enthusiast with an extensive collection of 78s featuring artists like Louis Armstrong and Art Tatum.
                                                                    • Early lessons with a unique piano teacher taught him chords and improvisation rather than classical piano techniques, shaping his compositional style.


                                                                      • Formative Years:

                                                                      • Jay met Jeremy Wall, a key collaborator, in high school, and their friendship laid the foundation for Spyro Gyra.
                                                                      • The group emerged from Buffalo, NY, where Jay and his business partner, Rich Colander, started recording in a local studio with leftover time from other projects.


                                                                        • Breakthrough and Rise to Fame

                                                                        Shaker Song:

                                                                        • Spyro Gyra’s big break came with the local radio success of "Shaker Song", leading to increasing demand and eventual national distribution.


                                                                          • Studio Sessions:

                                                                          • The band’s early recordings were funded through creative deals, including sharing studio time with Rick James, which introduced Jay to legends like Michael Brecker.


                                                                            • Creative Process and Musical Philosophy

                                                                            Writing and Composition:

                                                                            • Jay prefers melody-driven compositions, often rooted in improvisation and a personal connection to the music.
                                                                            • Many Spyro Gyra songs, such as "Unknown Soldier" and "Impressions of Madrid", were inspired by specific experiences, places, or emotions.


                                                                              • Collaboration and Experimentation:

                                                                              • Jay discussed integrating diverse influences, from Latin music to Andalusian sounds, often creating hybrid styles that reflect Spyro Gyra’s multifaceted approach.


                                                                                • Musical Highlights and Challenges

                                                                                • The duo reminisced about their vast discography, including iconic tracks like "Morning Dance" and "Shaker Song", and their collaborative performances with orchestras and guest artists like Michael Brecker.
                                                                                • They acknowledged the challenges of balancing commercial success with artistic integrity but emphasized their commitment to creating music that resonates emotionally.


                                                                                  • Impact and Connection with the Audience

                                                                                  • Spyro Gyra’s music has always been about fostering joy and connection. Jay highlighted the importance of audience engagement, noting that their live performances reflect genuine camaraderie among band members.


                                                                                    • Anecdotes and Personal Reflections

                                                                                    • The conversation included touching memories of band members, collaborators, and mentors, such as Jorge Dalto, whose influence extended beyond music to personal growth.
                                                                                    • Jay shared stories of navigating the music industry, including early struggles with funding and the serendipitous events that led to their breakout success.


                                                                                      • Conclusion

                                                                                      The episode captures the essence of Spyro Gyra’s enduring appeal: a blend of innovation, heartfelt melodies, and a deep connection to their roots. Schuman and Beckenstein’s camaraderie and mutual admiration underscore the collaborative spirit that has defined their journey, making this conversation a celebration of both their personal and professional milestones.

                                                                                      1 hr 17 min
                                                                                    • MusiConversations on Jazz with Peter White, Host Tom Schuman - Season 1 Episode 9 - Originally Aired Dec 2007

                                                                                      This episode of MusiConversations on Jazz features Host Tom Schuman interviewing Peter White, renowned guitarist known for his signature nylon-string sound. Their engaging conversation, set in a small British pub in Los Angeles, highlights White's career, influences, and unique approach to music.


                                                                                      Peter White’s Musical Journey

                                                                                      Early Beginnings:

                                                                                      • White began as a pianist, developing a foundation that later influenced his compositions. His father encouraged musical education, introducing a piano to the household when Peter was young.
                                                                                      • Inspired by The Beatles, he transitioned to guitar, starting with an acoustic instrument and teaching himself by ear.


                                                                                        • Career Evolution:

                                                                                        • Initially hired as a keyboardist by Al Stewart, White's guitar playing emerged when Stewart needed a Spanish guitar sound for the track "On the Border". This marked the beginning of White's journey as a guitarist, particularly with nylon-string guitars.
                                                                                        • A childhood accident involving his brother burning his electric guitar led him to embrace acoustic guitars —a blessing in disguise that defined his future sound.


                                                                                          • Signature Style and Influences

                                                                                          • White is best known for his gentle, melodic nylon-string guitar sound, which he describes as his musical "voice." His playing style evolved naturally and is central to his identity as an artist.
                                                                                          • Influences include The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, and Keith Emerson, shaping his appreciation for diverse musical genres.


                                                                                            • Notable Collaborations and Achievements

                                                                                            • White collaborated with Al Stewart on iconic albums like "Year of the Cat" and "Time Passages", which helped establish his career.
                                                                                            • He has worked with artists like Basha, Rick Braun, and Jonathan Butler and performed with the Jazz Attack ensemble, sharing the stage with renowned musicians like Richard Elliott and Kirk Whalum.


                                                                                              • Creative Process and Production

                                                                                              • White shared insights into recording on the road, often utilizing portable setups like Pro Tools and M-Box to capture spontaneous performances in hotel rooms or backstage.
                                                                                              • He emphasized the importance of emotion over technical perfection, believing the essence of music lies in the artist's personal touch.


                                                                                                • Memorable Tracks and Themes

                                                                                                • "Promenade": Described as his unofficial theme song, it reflects White’s personality—charming, soothing, and uplifting.
                                                                                                • "For the Love of You": A personal favorite of White’s and a standout track on his album "Playing Favorites", featuring unique instrumentation like stand-up bass.


                                                                                                  • Current Projects and Reflections

                                                                                                  • White continues to perform worldwide, balancing studio work and live performances. His focus remains on delivering authentic, emotionally resonant music rather than chasing commercial success.
                                                                                                  • He expressed interest in exploring duo guitar projects and revisiting past ideas for future recordings.



                                                                                                    • Closing Notes

                                                                                                    The episode celebrates Peter White's remarkable journey from a self-taught guitarist to a smooth jazz icon. It showcases his passion for music, the serendipitous moments that shaped his career, and his dedication to connecting with audiences through his unique sound. Tom Schuman praises White's artistry and friendship, wrapping up the conversation with mutual admiration.



                                                                                                    57 min
                                                                                                  • MusiConversations on Jazz with Marion Meadows, Host Tom Schuman - Season 1 Episode 8 - Originally Aired Nov 2007

                                                                                                    This episode of MusiConversations on Jazz features Host Tom Schuman interviewing jazz saxophonist Marion Meadows, exploring his career, influences, and artistic philosophy. Meadows reflects on his musical journey, his latest album "Dressed to Chill", and the broader jazz landscape.


                                                                                                    Career and Artistic Journey

                                                                                                    Early Musical Development:

                                                                                                    • Marion’s early days in Connecticut exposed him to diverse cultural and religious influences, shaping his spiritual and musical outlook.
                                                                                                    • After studying at Berklee College of Music, Marion explored avant-garde jazz, influenced by artists like Pharaoh Sanders and Ornette Coleman, before shifting to modal and melodic styles.
                                                                                                    • A pivotal moment occurred when jazz legend Grover Washington Jr. encouraged him to develop his unique sound and stop imitating others.


                                                                                                      • Grand Central Serendipity:

                                                                                                      • A chance encounter with composer Jay Chattaway while playing his soprano sax at Grand Central Station led to a collaboration with Bob James, marking a significant milestone in Marion’s career.


                                                                                                        • Latest Album: "Dressed to Chill"

                                                                                                        • This is Marion’s 10th solo album and showcases his melodic and lyrical approach to the soprano saxophone, emphasizing musicality over technical display.
                                                                                                        • Collaborator Michael Broening contributed to the album’s production, which includes haunting melodies and smooth jazz arrangements.


                                                                                                          • Musical Philosophy

                                                                                                          • Marion views the saxophone, particularly the soprano, as a voice for emotional expression, often comparing it to the human voice.
                                                                                                          • He aims to create music that resonates spiritually with both himself and his listeners, avoiding overly commercial influences in smooth jazz.
                                                                                                          • Advocates for an organic approach to smooth jazz, emphasizing authenticity over radio-driven trends.


                                                                                                            • Collaborations and Influences

                                                                                                            • Marion frequently collaborates with top musicians like Mel Brown and Freddie Fox and cites Grover Washington Jr., Jay Beckenstein, and other jazz legends as influences.
                                                                                                            • He appreciates the smooth jazz community for its close artist-fan interactions, which he describes as unique compared to other music genres.


                                                                                                              • Future Projects and Aspirations

                                                                                                              • Marion hints at incorporating his bass clarinet into future projects and experimenting with more organic elements in smooth jazz.


                                                                                                                • Closing Notes

                                                                                                                Marion Meadows emphasizes the importance of staying true to one’s artistic vision while navigating the challenges of the music industry. His reflections on his journey and creative process offer inspiration for both listeners and fellow musicians.

                                                                                                                58 min

                                                                                                              About MusiConversations on Jazz

                                                                                                              From the publisher's feed

                                                                                                              Join legendary jazz keyboardist Tom Schuman, former member of the iconic jazz group Spyro Gyra, as he brings his decades of experience and passion for jazz to "MusiConversations on Jazz". Originally launched in 2007, this podcast is back with fresh energy following Tom’s retirement from Spyro Gyra in February 2023 and his move overseas to lead his own trio.