If you're like most christian folks (current or former), you are likely familiar with the Contemporary Christian Music genre. Music has a power unlike anything else in this world. It can beautifully connect us to something deeper within ourselves. But when it's packaged and marketed for christian consumption and separated from so-called "secular" music, it can also be manipulative, shallow, and not at all about Jesus. Of course, it's not all bad. But this strange christian sub-culture is an odd beast to reckon with.

We are joined by Jamie Kocur, a brilliant singer, songwriter and author. We discuss her book, "My CCM Soundtracked Life." She walks us through her relationship to CCM music and the ways in which it shaped her. We talk about the latest Bethel and Sean Feucht madness and why Michael W. Smith felt it necessary to hold a concert in the middle of a pandemic. We discuss trying to find hope in the midst of what often feels hopeless. We are grateful to have her expertise for this deep dive into christian culture. Listen up!