Graham kicks this one off with a case of mistaken identity involving a pub, a band name and an office furniture manufacturer in Manchester which tells you something about the kind of conversation this is going to be.

Jake is one of the people behind Flok, a four-piece from Manchester who used to be called Blue Train Lines, named themselves after a local pub on something of a whim, and are currently in the middle of a twelve-gig run across eight weeks while spending a lot of money on petrol.

In this episode, Graham and Jake get into what it actually takes to build a following from scratch in 2026, why Flok respond to absolutely everyone who reaches out to them, and what it felt like to go from playing in front of nobody to a room full of people who already know the words.

They also talk about the Manchester rehearsal studio run by a bloke called David, who has an unexplained obsession with monkeys, why a room that is too clean is the enemy of creativity, and the one song in Flok's set that they have seriously considered never recording in a studio and why that might actually be the point.

New single out now. Twelve gigs across the summer. Bristol on the horizon. Well worth your time.