Four years ago, Rob appeared on Episode 36 of Chip Lunch. A lot has changed since then.

Rob's back, and he's more confident, more grounded, and deeper in his faith; but the path to get there wasn't smooth. From hanging up his rugby boots after too many concussions, to moving to Tasmania for six months searching for independence and clarity, to coming back and diving into Bible college while leading youth at MCC, Rob's journey has been one of learning to let God lead instead of doing it all himself.

This conversation is honest about the struggle. Rob talks about the pressure he put on himself to be like the leaders who shaped him. He shares how he tried to extract all their wisdom and condense it into something he could use to disciple the younger kids, and how exhausting that was. "I was trying to do it by myself without any prayer or reflection," he admits. God had to step in and remind him: "You don't have to do everything. I didn't say you had to."

There's also the Tasmania chapter, six months living on his own in Hobart, attending church, trying to find work, and learning what it means to truly rely on God when you're completely out of your comfort zone. Rob talks about the spiritual darkness he saw there, the loneliness of not knowing anyone, and the eye-opening realisation that independence without God's guidance is just isolation.

Despite the rocky path, despite the self-doubt and the struggles, Rob kept showing up. He came back from Tasmania, said yes to Bible college even though he hated school, and threw himself into leading youth at MCC with a group of rowdy kids who challenge him every week. And through it all, God has been teaching him patience, spiritual discipline, and what it means to be present and relational in a way that points people to Jesus.