Guy is back from Florida a little early so was able to get the wherewithal to do a podcast. Gaz however is still exhausted from last week's show with Will Green so wasn't able to be here. Bart Busschotts from too many podcasts to list (OK we COULD list them but few people read these notes) agreed to fill in and the result was not only a very fun podcast, but the LONGEST after-show recordings we've ever done. We talked about how Mavvericks won't mean the end for some well known and vital software, lots of off-topic tangents (surprise), and how to get out of a speeding ticket in Tel Aviv.