Mystics and Muons

Gabe shares personal updates, including his recent marriage and move, and discusses how meaningful it is when listeners reach out. He shares the creation of the Mystics and Muons Facebook group as well as the Mystics Collective, an 8 week container to learn, practice, and discuss together. Follow the links below to join the Facebook group, and meet with the Mystics Collective. We'll meet on Zoom for the next 8 Saturdays at 9AM, starting Sep 21, 2024.

Mystics and Muons group

The Mystics Collective

Zoom link for Sep 21

Gabe then gives a preview of his book in process on entropy, sharing a chapter reimagining Plato's Cave. In this version, we follow a prisoner that carefully develops models explaining the shadows. He undergoes significant paradigm shifts that lead him to conceptualize higher dimensional truths, such as the fire and objects behind him. Once he breaks free, he encounters others who have awakened, only to find that there are deepening layers of reality beyond the cave. He then experiences the difficulty in transmitting what's he's experienced to those who have no conceptualization of such things, including those who have broken free from the cave wall.

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Interview with Donald Hoffman

Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy

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Chapters

0:00 The Mystics Collective and Facebook Group

05:08 Hearing from Listeners

06:56 Reflections on the Sunstone Symposium and Podcast Impact

10:50 Adaptation of Plato's Cave

16:15 Our Prisoner Gets Anesthetized

20:22 Breaking the Chains and Beholding the Fire

23:29 Objective Truths vs Patterns and Relationships

25:54 Takeaways

This is a reading of "I Met God at a Festival" published on the Mystics and Muons Substack, wherein I reflect on my peak experiences at ARKADIA, a festival put on by Fit For Service. These experiences involved profound connections with others who served as manifestations of the ineffable divine, a force of which we all are a part. These experiences were more profound and transformative than those I experienced within religion, in fact serving to heal many of the wounds I picked up from religion. My experiences at ARKADIA led me to understand how to heal in community, to trust your partner and self, to connect with other men, to heal wounds from an absent father, to let go of judgment, and the find a sacred union with a partner. I hope you enjoy.

Links

https://mysticsandmuons.substack.com/p/i-met-god-at-a-festival

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Interview with Donald Hoffman

Interview with Bernardo Kastrup

Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

02:08 Healing in Community

05:22 Learning to Trust

17:50 Connecting as Men

25:09 Healing the Father Wound

29:02 Judging Not

36:45 Sacred Union

Phil McLemore shares his journey from Catholicism to Mormonism to a deeper spiritual practice through an awakening mediated by meditation and yoga. He discusses his experiences with Catholicism and the doubts that led him to explore other religions. He explains how he found Mormonism and how it initially provided him with a sense of purpose and transformation. Eventually after a severe accident and ineffective priesthood blessings, he turned to meditation for relief from chronic pain.

Through meditation, he had a spiritual awakening and a deeper understanding of the true nature of God. He also discusses the limitations of Mormonism and the lack of emphasis on inner spirituality within the church. The conversation explores the idea that there is an infinite, formless, and changeless reality that constitutes the essence of our being. The purpose of life is to discover and awaken to this reality, which requires direct experience and knowledge beyond the mind. The integration of this formless reality into the world of form is seen as essential for the full realization of the purpose of life.

The conversation explores the balance between personal exploration and guidance in spiritual journeys, the potential benefits and drawbacks of psychedelics, and the integration of mystical experiences into daily life. Gabe and Phil discuss the importance of character development and Christ-like living as the ultimate goal of spiritual awakening. They also touch on the misinterpretation of mystical experiences and the need for discerning integration. The conversation concludes with a focus on the integration of the kingdom of God within oneself and among others.

Phil's Written Works:

Becoming the Beloved

Hindering the Saints - Taking Away the Key of Knowledge

The Yoga of Christ

Phil's Facebook Group:

Inner Path

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:42 Phil's Background in Catholicism

06:04 Religion's Burden on Children

07:44 Phil's Introduction to Buddhism

08:58 Phil's Life in Mormonism as a CES Employee and Military Chaplain

11:39 Phil's Work in Apologetics

15:52 Phil's Injury, Chronic Pain, and Ineffective Priesthood Blessings

17:55 Being Rescued from Chronic Pain by Meditation and Yoga

21:28 Spiritual Experiences in Mormonism versus Mystical Experiences in Meditation

23:48 Mormonism's Conceptualization of God versus Direct Experience

25:30 Did Joseph Smith have Mystical Experiences?

31:44 Learning with Deepak Chopra and Teaching Mormons the Meditative Path

36:16 Transition from Orthodox Mormonism to Christian Mysticism

39:19 Why is Meditation not Taught in Mormonism?

44:34 Have the Modern Day Apostles and Prophets had Mystical Experiences?

47:00 What is Awakening?

55:30 What do Mystical Experiences Feel Like?

01:03:20 Rethinking Atonement and Resurrection

01:11:29 Gradual versus Sudden Spiritual Awakenings

01:13:42 How Mystical Experiences Feel Somatically

01:18:24 Suffering as a Catalyst for Awakening

01:19:18 Morality, Substances, Polyamory and Spiritual Paths

01:31:47 Our Innate Divine Ability to Find the Right Path

01:33:18 Psychedelics

01:44:54 Intention, Interpretation of Experience, and Integration

01:50:57 Joseph Smith's Integration of his Spiritual Experiences

01:52:25 Second Comforter and End Times Groups, and the Dangers of Seeking Mystical Experiences

02:00:30 Phil's Summary and Closing Advice, The Kingdom of God, Christ

Gabe and Stephen discuss Plato as an influence for Joseph Smith and Mormonism. Stephen describes his journey tracing the roots of Mormonism, and how that led him to research Plato and Christian Platonism. They also discuss defining hermeticism, as well as the possibility that Plato and Joseph Smith were drawing from the same perfect form of spiritual philosophy and adapting it in their own way, rather than Plato necessarily influencing Joseph Smith. Finally, they discuss whether this parallel between Platonism and Mormonism is faith affirming or faith challenging.

Links

Stephen's Presentation - Joseph Smith and the Ancient Religion: Or Where Was Zerahemla

https://alexandria.ucsb.edu/downloads/v118rd789

Stephen's Dissertation - The Fulness of the Gospel: Christian Platonism and the Origins of Mormonism

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Interview with Donald Hoffman

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Stephen's Background

05:08 Gabe's Exposure to Philosophy at BYU and his Ensuing Faith Crisis

06:14 Tracing Mormonism's Roots

09:02 The Refiner's Fire by John Brooke

14:03 The Challenges of Defining Hermeticism

17:02 The Problem with Presentism

21:03 The Unifying Potential of the Mystical Experience in Understanding History

25:12 Have We Cut Ourselves off from Gnosis Today?

28:19 Plato

31:44 Defining Neoplatonism

34:50 Theurgy

36:08 Love-Hate Relationship Between Plato and Christianity

39:17 Platonic Influence on Joseph Smith

44:35 The Divide Between God and Man, Christ as Savior vs Christ as Way-Shower

52:16 Quaker Beliefs on Christ as a Mystic

54:30 Did Plato Influence Joseph Smith, or Did They Both Access the Same Space?

56:47 Mystical Experiences

01:07:25 Paradoxes and Plato's Cave

01:09:50 Plato and Joseph Smith - Faith Affirming or Deconstructing?

01:13:05 If Christ Showed up Today, Would he be more Platonist, Buddhist, or Christian?

01:21:44 Stephen's Spiritual Experiences

01:23:48 Is Mormonism a Religion, or is it "All Truth"?

01:32:40 Following your Intuition

I'm joined this episode with the creators behind EntheoMagus, Cody Noconi, Brandon Crockett, and Alex Criddle. EntheoMagus is a short documentary exploring the indications that entheogens, or psychedelics, were used in early Mormonism, particularly in the group experiences in Kirtland, OH. We discuss Cody, Brandon, and Alex's backgrounds, where they stand with regard to Mormonism, and their motivation behind this project.

We also discuss the basics behind psychedelics and what is known as the mystical experience, a state of consciousness that is accessible both through endogenous (without substances) as well as exogenous (with substances) means.

I ask them the spiritual implications behind psychedelics producing this experience, as well as the implications for Mormonism, if this is true. Many view the idea that psychedelics were used to be discounting the spirituality behind Mormonism, or to be cheapening spiritual experiences, but we discuss how that isn't the case.

EntheoMagus is a short film on the road to the goal of a more involved production. It will be shown in Salt Lake City, UTon 4/27/24, 4/28/24, and 4/29/24 and in Portland, OR on 5/11/24. Get your tickets below.

Links

EntheoMagus Website

Alex Criddle's Website

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Interview with Donald Hoffman

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Discussion with Bernardo Kastrup on Entropy

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

00:57 Brandon Crockett

07:01 Alex Criddle

11:44 Cody Noconi

16:28 The Mystical Experience

22:09 Interpreting Spiritual or Mystical Experiences

25:14 Our Mind as a Filter

27:06 Cross Cultural Mystical Experiences

29:23 Taking a Holistic Approach to Understanding Mystical Experiences with Science and Spirituality

35:30 Implications for Mormonism if Entheogens/Psychedelics were used

38:07 Psychedelics and Spirituality, The Good Friday Experiment

42:53 Clark Heinrich's Mystical Experience with Amanita Muscaria

46:41 The Problems with Dismissing Psychedelics as Hallucinations or Shortcuts

49:51 Gabe's Endogenous Mystical Experience

51:53 Can We Trust Mystical/Psychedelic Experiences?

55:19 Consensus Reality and Interpreting Psychedelic Experiences

01:02:22 Recontextualizing and Finding Meaning in Mormonism

01:04:57 Accessing Revelation and Mystical Experiences

01:07:00 The Problem with Prophets and the Shamanic Initiation Crisis

01:10:00 The Importance of Recognizing your Perspective and Bias

01:11:09 How Objective are Psychedelic Experiences?

01:13:28 Rupert Spira and Dreams as a Model for the Intersubjective Nature of Reality

01:19:09 Does it Matter if Joseph Smith used Psychedelics/Entheogens?

01:21:59 Folk Magic, the Occult, and Substances to Alter Consciousness

01:26:11 Is there Evidence of Entheogens in Early Mormonism?

01:30:06 EntheoMagus

This conversation discusses Mike's time at FAIR as an apologist, and then his faith crisis and departure from Mormonism, as well as his own personal spiritual journey. Mike's interest lies in researching other branches of Mormonism, including fundamentalist groups, and Gnostic groups.

We discuss John W Bryant, who left Mormonism after converting, serving a mission. He then joined the Apostolic United Brethren, but parted ways with them after receiving visions of church leaders, from which he reports to have received the Second Anointing. His group later transformed into a more liberal, feminist group, and started a commune in Nevada. He then reported being ordained in a sexual ordinance by the wife of one of the Three Nephites to the higher light of Christ. Now, they've evolved to a more mythologically minded blend of Eastern spirituality, including yoga, meditation, and artistic creativity during their services.

We also discuss Archie Wood, who started the True Gnostic Church and wrote extensive scripture, including conceptualizing God as mankind's evolution into the future, who has returned back to communicate with us. Archie subsequently left his church, though there is an effort to preserve his works.

Finally, we discuss the Knights of the Crystal Blade, a cult formed by John Coltharp, one of the missionaries Gabe knew on his mission.

Links:

Mike's Presentation on Gnostic Mormonism

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Interview with Donald Hoffman

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Rebranding

06:43 Mike LeCheminant's Background

10:02 FAIR and Apologetics

13:42 Joseph Smith as a Fallen Prophet

18:04 Spirituality After Mormonism

20:53 Redefining God

25:21 Deconstruction and Myth

36:54 Mike's Exploration of other Churches

39:39 Psychedelics in Religion

44:54 John W Bryant and the Gnostic Temple of the Pearl

49:22 Channeling, Automatic Writing, and Scripture

56:38 Gnosticism

01:16:05 Mormonism's Individuation Process

01:22:16 The Motivations of Prophets

01:31:46 Knights of the Crystal Blade

01:39:43 Archie Wood and the True Gnostic Church

01:53:09 Leaving the Apologetic Community

Gabe and Keith discuss various topics related to personal growth, Oregon's Measure 109 legalizing psilocybin services, and the state of the world. They explore the concept of sovereignty and the importance of taking responsibility for one's own life. They also discuss the symbolism of events and the power of perspective. The conversation emphasizes the interconnectedness of individuals and the role of love and integration in creating a better world. The conversation explores love, and the concept of good and evil. It also discusses the shift out of dualistic thinking.

Links

www.KeithGilmore.com

New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://youtu.be/5YBeMrR1seM

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

03:56 Keith's Role as President of the Portland Psychedelic Society

07:14 Oregon's Measure 109 - Psilocybin Services

14:55 Significance of Expected MDMA and Psilocybin Legalization Within Therapy

22:45 Paradoxes, Polarities, and Finding Balance

28:24 The Sovereignty of Perspective

36:46 Finding Meaning

45:24 Different Substitutes for Meaning

51:39 Seeing Each Other as Brothers and Sisters, Healing the World by Healing Yourself

58:10 Idealism and Ethics

01:04:21 Danger of Dogma

01:06:47 Being Good Through Integration

01:12:30 Defining Evil

01:20:49 The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and Duality

01:23:09 Baby's Splitting of Mother = Humanity's Splitting of God

01:25:41 Shifting from Dualistic Thinking

01:27:09 Conclusion

Gabe and River discuss topics related to idealism, consciousness, and the nature of reality. They explore River's paper on idealism and its connection to Stephen Wolfram's work, as well as Gabe's experiences with Kundalini awakening and his exploration of entropy. They discuss different perspectives on the Ruliad and consciousness, the nature of time and the past, and the value of embracing paradox and limitations. The role of chaos and order in consciousness is examined, along with the connection between information and relationships. The discussion also touches on the cyclical nature of materialism and the incompleteness of models. The relationship between quantum mechanics and consciousness is discussed, as well as the role of AI in the collective consciousness. The future of consciousness are also examined, along with the dream as a model of consciousness. The conversation explores the grand purpose of life and the practical implications of finding meaning and purpose.

River's Work:

Twitter/X - https://twitter.com/RiverKanies - @RiverKanies

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/river-kanies-95706389/

Podcast:

Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/6jwZYOYh6r0vFNvSzE2jO4

Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/i-am-stupid/id1664884643

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New to the podcast? Make sure you watch Episode 2 or read it in on the Substack for the integrative narrative of Mormon origins:

https://youtu.be/5YBeMrR1seM

https://open.substack.com/pub/mormonsmysticsandmuons/p/mormonism-psychedelics-quantum-physics

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00:00 Introduction

03:30 River's Paper on Idealism and Wolfram's Work

07:38 Gabe's Kundalini Awakening

11:14 Entropy as an Artifact of Observers' Computational Bounds

22:15 Reality: Exploring the Computational Space of all Conscious Experiences

26:21 Computational Bounds and the Ruliad

31:24 Observers Exist within the Ruliad as Perspectives

33:19 Time as the Iteration through Permutations of Conscious Experience

37:07 Photogrammetry as a Model of Models of Reality

39:55 Seeing and Hearing in 2D, but Upsampling to 3D

41:44 Embracing Paradox and the Value of Limitations

43:54 Identifying not as the Query in the Infinite Database, but the Coder

49:43 The Intersubjective Nature of Reality

57:27 Ordering Chaos Through Dimensions

01:00:36 Limits of Reductionism due to the Balance of Order and Chaos

01:04:30 The Computational View vs. Reductionism

01:06:52 Using Recursion to Colonize the Ruliad

01:09:57 Quantum Physics as the Divine Spark

01:13:16 Information and Models Must be Ordered Hierarchically

01:23:14 The Trajectory of Consciousness

01:25:48 The Role of AI in Consciousness

01:31:05 Dreams Illustrate the Substrate Independence of Consciousness

01:35:40 Assembly Theory

01:37:55 The Learning Process of Reality

01:41:54 Dreams as a Roadmap for the Future of Consciousness

01:47:43 The Meaning of Existence

01:51:28 The Death of Meaning, and Meaning on the Other Side of Nihilism

01:52:45 Setting Collective Meaning

01:57:37 Finding Meaning in Suffering

02:02:03 AI as a Catalyst for Change

02:07:51 The Only Free Will we have is what Perspective to Adopt

02:12:32 Perspective is the Difference between Armageddon and the Millennium

02:14:56 Polarities are Necessary

02:15:51 Seeking to Catalyze Change for Others, Rather than Seeking to Change Them

02:18:25 Embody Change Rather than Evangelize

02:19:59 CyberMonk App

02:21:22 Reality as a Conversation Between its Parts