In this episode conversion rate optimization Tim Ash, CEO at TimAsh.com.

He is a conversion rate optimization expert talks about the relationship of psychology and content marketing. Tim has keynoted events all over the world for Google, Facebook, Pubcon and others. He’s the author of Unleash Your Primal Brain: Demystifying How We Think and Why We Act and a B2B lead qualification expert.

His first book was Landing Page Optimization: The Definitive Guide to Testing and Tuning for Conversions. We spoke recently to Brian Dean of Backlinko for the B2B Lead Gen Podcast about why he create 10k word landing pages to sell his courses online, so if you're interested in this episode with Tim, you may want to download that one as well.

If you look at conversion rate optimization as simply the end of the customer journey, you're overlooking the motivational aspects of what makes someone convert.

Tim comes at CRO form the perspective of evolutionary psychology, which he says matter not only to marketers, but to all people. “If you understand the basic operating system for human beings, you understand the whole arc of evolution that made us who we are.”

What is Conversion Rate Optimization?

Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO) is the art and science of testing the impact of adjusting the text, images, rich media, and graphic interface design on a website or webpage to continuously increase the percentage of website traffic that completes a desired transaction, such as an e-commerce sale, a lead form submission, or content download.

Rather than obsessive over what types of B2B content marketing is most effective, essential digital marketing skills, or B2B lead generation strategy, Tim takes a more evolutionary psychological look at how our physiology as mammals impacts our behavior as customers.

For more background on these aspects of digital marketing, check out these podcast episodes:

What is B2B Content Marketing

Mapping Content Marketing to Funnel Stages

5 Content Marketing Tips from Robert Rose

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How to Optimize for Conversions

When it comes to conversion rate optimization and demand generation, world-renown CRO expert Tim Ash advises digital marketing professionals not to focus too much on the technology.

It’s Twitter today. It'll be Oculus headsets tomorrow.

"But it’s the human brain we’re trying to influence, and I do a lot of myth busting on how the brain really works. If you wanna have a durable career in digital marketing, you need to understand what you’re trying to influence,” says Tim, whose framework covers all the steps of conversion rate optimization by unifying branding, direct response marketing, and brand monitoring.

There’s usually a war between these strict branding departments (you have to use this font, this color, this voice, etc.,) and the direct response marketing people, who do whatever it takes to sell. He cited this experiment where a brand of instant coffee was served at a luxury restaurant – surprisingly, the customers found the cheap coffee as good as the premium product they expected.

“So the brand serves as the frame in which the offer is gonna be valued, and that’s where brand and direct response are gonna be unified.” This means that, while you need to have visual consistency in your owned, shared, and paid media outreach campaigns,