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Kevin O’Connor's decade at the NSA taught him that the path to effective security leadership runs counter to most instincts: hire people smarter than yourself, let experts drive decisions in their domains, and focus on empowering careers beyond your team rather than confirming what you already believe. As Director of Threat Research at N-able, Kevin now applies this bottom-up approach to protecting small and medium businesses.
Ben and Kevin explore how mission-driven environments shape leadership styles that prioritize purpose over compensation, why mistakes become valuable only when you own the outcome and manage the recovery process, and how the transition from individual contributor to team leader represents the most challenging shift in any security career. Kevin also shares his framework for turning organizational roadblocks into opportunities, why project management skills separate effective leaders from those who struggle under competing priorities, and how to build team cultures where people actually want to spend time together beyond work obligations.
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[2:51-3:15] “And then I think also just being around that top talent, the people who were just so smart, I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I'm pretty quick. But some of the guys I worked with, the guys and girls, they were just next level, next tier. And that always just drove me to make sure that I was never the smartest person in the room. That's the way you grow. If you're hiring to confirm what you're thinking or your mindset, you're never going to get anywhere.”
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By MaltegoKevin O’Connor's decade at the NSA taught him that the path to effective security leadership runs counter to most instincts: hire people smarter than yourself, let experts drive decisions in their domains, and focus on empowering careers beyond your team rather than confirming what you already believe. As Director of Threat Research at N-able, Kevin now applies this bottom-up approach to protecting small and medium businesses.
Ben and Kevin explore how mission-driven environments shape leadership styles that prioritize purpose over compensation, why mistakes become valuable only when you own the outcome and manage the recovery process, and how the transition from individual contributor to team leader represents the most challenging shift in any security career. Kevin also shares his framework for turning organizational roadblocks into opportunities, why project management skills separate effective leaders from those who struggle under competing priorities, and how to build team cultures where people actually want to spend time together beyond work obligations.
Too busy; didn’t listen:
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[2:51-3:15] “And then I think also just being around that top talent, the people who were just so smart, I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but I'm pretty quick. But some of the guys I worked with, the guys and girls, they were just next level, next tier. And that always just drove me to make sure that I was never the smartest person in the room. That's the way you grow. If you're hiring to confirm what you're thinking or your mindset, you're never going to get anywhere.”
Listen to more episodes:
Apple
Spotify
YouTube
Website