Naila Hayat Noon (or her spiritual name Amat-nu-Nur) is Pakistani Sufi mystic and spiritual guide to my colleague Aneeqa Malik (also a Sufi living in London) share her insights and wisdom about what we could do now in the midst of the Cororavirus pandemic and the economic challenges facing our world.  In this time of self-isolation we have an opportunity to listen to our inner calling and voice that calls us to re-imagine a new life and a new economy.

We are blessed to be joined by 80-year old John Hillbery, a former banker and co-creator of 'real management' principles of corporate governance who lives in Sesimbra, Portugal.

Our conversation was recorded on April 8, 2020.