They had a car, So I told Gary to take a walk and I interviewed Natacha in the back seat of their VW Jetta. And then Gary came back, then I asked Natacha to kick rocks and got Gary’s side of the story.

I really just wanted to do this interview in private and give it to them. I had no intention of making these conversations public let alone a podcast episode but as I listened to their stories, I felt compelled to share them with you.

I got their permission aaaaaaaaand here we are.

Please, enjoy.