A new friend joins us on the show. He's a former pastor, turned podcast host and an Enneagram 9. His name is Nate Hanson and we're sure you'll love him!

We discuss what led to his podcast Almost Heretical, like how awkward evangelizing can be, Hell, the complications of being in ministry with celebrity pastors, the idolization of those leaders and how power is seldom shared.

PLUS his difficulties with the Bible and how he no longer views it as a magical source for golden nuggets. Enjoy.