Nathalie Tocci is Director of the Istituto Affari Internazionali and Special Adviser to the EU's High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Federica Mogherini. This podcast was recorded during the Clingendael State of the Union conference 2019, where Ms. Tocci gave a keynote speech on 'Navigating global complexity: the EU 's rationale in the 21 century'.