Pendulum's Balkan Devlen moderates a discussion about the NATO Summit at The Hague with security and defence experts, Alexander Lanoszka and Richard Shimooka. They break down the details of the defence spending target the Allies agreed in principle, delve into what it really means, and explain why Spain has a carve-out. They also discuss the strategic defence and security partnership Prime Minister Carney signed with the European Union. What does it mean in practice? Why should expectations be tempered here at home? How does it impact the Canadian defence industry and capabilities? Find out by joining the conversation.