In this episode of the podcast, we talked a lot about terminology, especially around "secondary metabolism" versus "specialized metabolism" and "primary metabolism" versus "centralized metabolism" and why and how they're different when we take things from a human-centric view rather than a microbe-centric one. It was so fun, and I learned a ton. I hope you will too! Transcript at https://jgi.doe.gov/natural-prodcast-episode-13-francisco-barona-gomez/