In this raw and reflective conversation, Sandy’s connecting with Dr. Jacob Anderson, a family physician and program director, who opens up about the highs and lows of stepping into a leadership role in medicine. Together, they explore:

• The realization of becoming “the powers that be,” and what it’s like to confront the very structures he once resisted.
• How curiosity—and even discomfort—can transform moments of defensiveness into powerful growth moments.
• The push and pull of healthcare’s “us vs. them” culture, and why Dr. Anderson believes embracing complexity is essential for creating meaningful change.
• Practical insights on avoiding emotional burnout by resisting the lure of quick judgment and finding more sustainable ways to lead with clarity.
• This episode challenges traditional views of healthcare leadership, showing that true strength lies in the willingness to look inward, question assumptions, and embrace the hard and important work of personal transformation. 

Dr. Anderson’s perspective offers a thought-provoking shift from typical narratives, making this conversation extra compelling.