In this episode of the Internal Affairs podcast, host Marlon Marrache engages with retired Chief Chris Hsiung, exploring the persistent stigma surrounding internal affairs investigations, the human elements of disciplinary processes like Skelly hearings, and the challenges of maintaining fairness in policing.

Chung shares personal experiences from his 28-year career, including poignant critical incidents, and introduces The Curve, an initiative aimed at modernizing police culture through empathetic leadership, vulnerability, and proactive cultural design to better serve communities and officers alike.

The discussion emphasizes accountability, empathy, and the need for cultural evolution in law enforcement.

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Marlon's Info

Website: https://www.bluconsultinginc.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iaguypodcast/?hl=en

Linked IN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marlon-marrache/

Chris's Info:

Website: https://www.thecurve.org/

Linked IN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrishsiung/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chris.hsiung/

Time Stamp:

0:00 Podcast Intro and Guest Welcome

3:30 IA Stigma and Mystery

7:00 POA Role and Discipline

9:20 Disciplinary Challenges

16:30 Agency Size Differences in IA

18:45 Advice for IA Investigators

21:00 Double Standards in Discipline

23:15 Skelly Hearings Insights

29:00 Worst Career Incident

34:30 The Curve Initiative

37:45 Culture by Design

42:15 Contact Info and Advice

44:00 Closing Remarks