Host: Erika McKellar, Host and Conflict Resolution Specialist  

Guest: Amanda Reill, ICF-Certified Coach and Executive Ghostwriter

In this episode of the Bad Meetings podcast, Erika McKellar is joined by Amanda Riell, who shares her journey from ministry to becoming a coach and ghostwriter, while reflecting on her experience working with a narcissistic leader. The episode offers insights into how to identify toxic behavior in leadership, the emotional burden of narcissistic bosses, and practical advice for setting boundaries and protecting your mental health. Amanda also explains the importance of having a care plan for long-term healing.

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Key Time Stamps:

Introduction: 00:04  

Amanda’s Career Journey: 03:10  

Identifying Narcissistic Leaders: 09:45  

Setting Boundaries and Protecting Your Energy: 19:32  

Rebuilding After Toxic Leadership: 32:14  

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Notable Quotes:

“Narcissists behave predictably once you know the playbook. It’s not about beating them at their game; it’s about getting off the board entirely.” Amanda Real

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Tools and Resources:

[The Wizard of Oz and Other Narcissists](https://www.amazon.com/Wizard-Oz-Other-Narcissists-Relationships/dp/0972072837): A recommended book for understanding narcissistic behavior in relationships and work.

[Boundaries by Henry Cloud](https://www.amazon.com/Boundaries-When-Take-Control-Your/dp/0310247454): A classic guide to understanding and setting personal boundaries.

[Amanda Reill Coaching](https://amandarealcoaching.com): Learn more about Amanda’s coaching services and connect with her.

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