Let’s be honest—climate messaging isn’t landing the way it needs to.

In this episode, Alexia Kelly is joined by Kalee Kreider, one of the world’s leading climate communicators, to talk about why… and what we can do about it.

From working with Al Gore on An Inconvenient Truth to advising global organizations, Kalee has spent decades figuring out what actually connects with people—and what completely misses the mark.

They dive into:

• Why your climate message probably isn’t reaching the people you think it is
• The danger of “smart-sounding” language (and how to simplify without dumbing down)
• How methane went from overlooked to a “climate moment”
• Why people need hope + solutions—not just data
• The surprising real reason An Inconvenient Truth resonated
• How TikTok, LinkedIn, and AI are changing the game
• Why even experts need communication training

Plus, Kalee shares her top 3 tips for becoming a better climate communicator—no matter your role.

If you work in or are passionate about climate, this episode is a must-listen.

Alexia Kelly interviews Dr. Lea Borkenhagen, SVP at Environmental Defense Fund, about her career spanning economics, NGOs and corporate sustainability. Dr. Borkenhagen traces her path from studying orangutans in Borneo to exploring how markets shape resource use, then working with WWF and earning a PhD before joining Oxfam to help launch the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil. They discuss Dr. Borkenhagen’s experience at Nike, and what it really takes to “win hearts and minds” as a sustainability professional. 

Dr. Borkenhagen’s work at EDF focuses on sustainability as a driver of business value—and she shares her expert perspective on how emerging topics like CBAM, climate impacts on supply chains, innovation, methane action, and more are reasons for hope in corporate climate progress, despite political headwind.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, host Alexia Kelly is joined by Tisha Schuller, founder of Adamantine Energy and strategic advisor to Stanford's Natural Gas Initiative. She’s the author of four books: Accidentally Adamant (2018); The Game Changers Playbook: How Oil and Gas Leaders Thrive in an Era of Continuous Disruption (2020); Real Decarbonization: How Oil and Gas Companies Are Seizing the Low-Carbon Future; and The Myth in the Moment: From Polarization to Progress in the New Energy Landscape.

Tisha shares her journey from environmental activism to environmental leadership in the oil and gas industry, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and pragmatism in achieving net zero. They discuss the challenges of the energy transition, the polarized climate debate, and the crucial role oil and gas companies are playing and should continue to play in reducing global carbon intensity. Tisha outlines the need for engagement, innovation, and incrementalism, urging the climate community to work constructively with the oil and gas sector. This dialogue highlights the complexities and opportunities in driving forward a sustainable energy future.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, Alexia Kelly speaks with Dr. Britt Wray, a leading voice on climate resilience and mental health, about the emotional challenges associated with the climate crisis. Dr. Wray, author of 'Generation Dread' and director at Stanford University’s CIRCLE initiative, shares her journey and work in addressing climate anxiety. They discuss the significance of acknowledging and processing climate grief and its role in driving purposeful action. Various supportive resources, including the Good Grief Network, are highlighted for those seeking community and coping mechanisms. The conversation also touches on the integration of emotional and technical approaches in the climate movement, especially in balancing professional and personal spheres. Tune in for an engaging discussion on navigating the emotional landscape of the climate crisis and the importance of mental resilience.

In this special review episode of Navigating Net Zero, host Alexia Kelly reflects on her conversations with leading climate action and sustainability experts in 2025. With eight episodes featuring influential leaders from companies like Salesforce, Meta, Microsoft, Mars, Target, Oatly, and more, the podcast dove into critical issues such as internal change management, carbon accounting standards, market-based mechanisms, and the need for intellectual flexibility in tackling climate change.

Key themes include the importance of engaging hearts and minds for deep decarbonization, the financial and logistical challenges of new technologies, and the role of corporate influence in driving systemic change. This episode underscores the urgency of climate action, the need for collective impact, and a focus on progress over perfection.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, host Alexia Kelly is joined by Holly Lahd to discuss the intersection of carbon accounting and energy strategy. Holly shares her experiences working on the Greenhouse Gas Protocol's Scope 3 standard, her transition to corporate decarbonization efforts, and insights on regulated and wholesale energy markets. The discussion covers the evolution of electricity markets, the complexities of corporate climate strategies, and the challenges of Scope 3 emissions. Holly emphasizes the importance of large-scale renewable energy projects and the crucial role of corporate purchasing in driving decarbonization. 

The episode examines the interaction between financial structuring, market dynamics, and the need for both attributional and consequential accounting practices in corporate climate action. Tune in to explore how companies can navigate the transitional period of ambiguous guidelines and make impactful decisions.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, host Alexia Kelly welcomes Liz Willmott, a climate and sustainability expert with over 20 years of experience across the public, nonprofit, and private sectors, including a pivotal role at Microsoft. Liz shares her journey from a childhood tree hugger to leading Microsoft's carbon negative strategy and founding Earth Rise Consulting. The discussion covers the importance of market-based solutions like Microsoft’s internal carbon fee, the challenges and strategies for mainstreaming sustainability in corporations, and the need for intellectual flexibility and practical progress over perfection. Liz emphasizes the role of collaboration, the adaptation of climate solutions, and the mental resilience required for sustainability professionals. The conversation provides a comprehensive look at the multidimensional efforts needed to navigate the path to net zero.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, Alexia Kelly welcomes Peter Freed, a seasoned clean energy strategist with over two decades shaping the future of corporate clean energy and climate strategy. Peter, who has led energy strategy at Meta and now advises companies through Near Horizon Group, shares his journey from early work at Terra Pass to advancing corporate renewable energy initiatives. The discussion delves into the evolution of clean energy strategies, from initial carbon offsets to current greenhouse gas accounting practices.

Peter highlights the importance of practical sustainability measures and the role of voluntary targets in driving corporate action. The conversation also covers the economic shifts in renewable energy procurement, noting a transition from a buyer’s to a seller’s market, and addresses the complexities of international markets, particularly in developing countries. They explore the significance of precise greenhouse gas accounting and the potential of AI to revolutionize grid management and materials science for clean energy. Carbon capture and storage (CCS) are identified as crucial for managing fossil fuel emissions amidst the clean energy transition.

The episode concludes with reflections on maintaining corporate commitment to sustainability amidst evolving market and policy landscapes. Overall, this episode provides a comprehensive look at the challenges and opportunities in achieving net zero, offering valuable insights for professionals navigating the complexities of corporate sustainability and clean energy innovation.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, Alexia Kelly talks with Jenny Morgan, a climate strategist, author, and climate champion. Jenny discusses her debut book, 'Cancel Culture and Climate,' which addresses how polarization, blame, and fear are impeding progress on sustainability goals. She shares her experiences at Microsoft and Tradewater, highlighting the challenges and successes in promoting sustainable actions. Jenny emphasizes the importance of empathy and collaboration in driving collective impact and offers insights on how to turn criticism into accountability and continuous improvement. The conversation delves into the role of voluntary climate action, the significance of short-lived climate pollutants, and the need for more transparent and detailed sustainability reporting. The episode concludes with strategies for fostering a collaborative and action-oriented climate community.

In this episode of Navigating Net Zero, Alexia Kelly is joined by Chris Davis, a seasoned climate and sustainability expert. They discuss Chris's extensive career in climate action spanning government, industry, and civil society, highlighting his recent work at Amazon and as a senior fellow at the High Tide Foundation. The conversation delves into the complexities of corporate climate action, the intricacies of greenhouse gas accounting, and the newly launched Task Force for Corporate Action Transparency (TCAT). They explore the need for and launch of two new corporate climate action guidance documents — the Mitigation Action Accounting and Reporting Guidance (MAARG) and the Target Accounting and Reporting Guidance (TARG) — and their role in helping companies navigate and report their climate actions transparently and consistently.