In this engaging conversation, Rupert and Shradha welcome Julian Chender, an expert in organization design, to discuss his journey from corporate consulting to social impact work. Julian shares insights on the importance of culture in organizations, particularly how it relates to their products and services. He reflects on his experiences at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, where he learned valuable lessons about organizational culture and its impact on performance. The discussion also delves into the challenges of translating corporate concepts into the nonprofit sector, emphasizing the need for effective communication and understanding of organizational dynamics. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the unique challenges and strategies within the nonprofit sector, emphasizing the importance of understanding organizational culture, measuring impact, and navigating cost-cutting measures.