Devin and Sefra, special needs parents of two boys with autism, discuss the importance of balancing realism and hope. They emphasize grounding expectations while avoiding limitations. The conversation highlights their journey, facing bad advice from well-meaning friends and family, the evolution of their outlooks, and the challenges of relearning their kids' needs. The episode also touches on the diverse nature of autism and how their kids' individual progress has shaped their perspectives over time.