What does success actually mean if the old corporate ladder is gone?

In this episode, we get properly honest about it. Vanessa shares what she’s been working on with her therapist around joy and self-worth. TK talks about learning piano just because it’s fun, not because it leads anywhere.

We dig into how easy it is to chase a version of success that was handed to us by someone else. And what happens when we stop and ask: what actually lights me up?

We also talk about how leaders can create the space for these kinds of conversations at work. Spoiler: it starts with being a bit vulnerable yourself. 🎹

If you’ve ever caught yourself turning every hobby into a goal, or wondering “is this really it?”, this one’s for you.

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