Doug Pick, Founder and CEO of DAP Ventures and former CEO of Heroes Earplugs, discussed his journey from starting a $15,000 earplug brand to selling it to a private equity group. He emphasized the importance of branding, product quality, and financial planning in retail. Doug highlighted the challenges of working with big box retailers, including setup costs, promotional expenses, and the impact of store brands. He shared insights on the financial game of retail, the significance of execution, and the concept of "charge backs." Doug also discussed the transition from retail to e-commerce and the role of branding in both channels. He covers all of these topics & more in his book, Stop or Go.

Episode Timestamps: 

• 3:11 Doug's Book "Stop or Go"

• Mariah Parsons mentions Doug's book, "Stop or Go," and asks him to define it.

• Doug explains he wrote the book for his children, Brandon and Ellie, and for himself in 1992, pre-internet, with no CPG experience.

• The book is a 60-minute read, designed to guide founders through the steps needed to launch a brand.

• Doug emphasizes the importance of doing homework and making prudent decisions to avoid financial pitfalls.

• 8:24 The Game of Retail

• Doug explains the concept of "The Game of Retail," where founders need to understand the financial aspects of working with big box retailers.

• He shares specific examples, such as the $50,000 setup cost for Target and the $25,000 promotional event cost for Walgreens.

• Doug highlights the importance of having a financial plan and understanding the costs associated with retail.

• He discusses the need for founders to create a promotional calendar and fund promotional events themselves.

• 17:38 Transition from Retail to E-commerce

• Mariah Parsons asks about the pros and cons of retail versus e-commerce.

• Doug explains his journey from big box retail to embracing the internet and e-commerce, starting with Amazon in 2007.

• He discusses the impact of the 2008-2010 economic correction, where retailers shifted focus to store brands.

• Doug shares how his Amazon business grew significantly during this time, generating $2 million in sales and $1 million in profit.

• 21:29 Store Brand Strategy

• Doug explains the rise of store brands and their impact on national brands.

• He shares an example of transitioning Rite Aid from a hybrid strategy to a complete store brand strategy.

• Doug highlights the financial advantages for retailers in maintaining store brands.

• He discusses the importance of understanding the retailer's strategy and being prepared for the financial implications.

• 29:30 Challenges in Retail Relationships

• Doug shares a story about a grocery chain where he was kicked out after a shipment arrived a day late.

• He emphasizes the importance of execution and understanding retailer expectations.

• Doug discusses the concept of "charge backs," where retailers can throw financial challenges at vendors.

• He shares a personal experience with a retailer's accounting issue that cost his company over $100,000.

• 38:27 Branding and Packaging for Retail and E-commerce

• Mariah Parsons asks about the role of branding in retail versus e-commerce.

• Doug explains his approach to packaging and branding, inspired by studying big brands in retail stores.

• He emphasizes the importance of standing out on shelves and creating a compelling first impression.

• Doug discusses the need for thoughtful packaging and branding in both retail and e-commerce, even if packaging is less critical in e-commerce.

• 45:05 Final Thoughts and Advice for Founders

• Doug advises founders to focus on product market fit before scaling to big box retail.

• He emphasizes the importance of having a financial plan and understanding the costs associated with retail.

• Doug shares his philosophy of prudence in making business decisions.

• Mariah Parsons thanks Doug for sharing his insights and experiences, and they conclude the episode.