Professor Kevin Clements talks to Marilyn Waring, development consultant, academic, writer and former National Party MP who triggered the 1984 snap election when she refused to support her own government in the vote against an opposition-sponsored anti-nuclear bill. Her best known work, "If Women Counted", also published under the title "Counting for Nothing", describes how economic orthodoxies exclude most of women's productive and reproductive work. In this conversation, Professor Clements seeks to explore what triggered Marilyn's interest in peace, justice and human rights. 21 July 2014