In episode 4, Janet & Ian tackle a topic that they have spoken about in previous episodes, briefly but examine it under new questions.  That topic is the foundation that all our lives rest on, Family.  They start of by discussing the roles their parents & older siblings played for them growing up, specifically how their older siblings sometimes played the role of their "Second Parents".  But then, segueing into how that has changed for them in present day - seeing your parents as dependent figures to seeing them more as humans & unpacking their psyche more & more.  Navigating how when that "heroic allure". that so many of our parents or older siblings have, goes away &you begin to see them as the human being who was figuring things to the best of their ability.   They then pivot a bit asking & answering questions like what are some of their family members preferred form of communication? What do you like to do outside of working & parenting? What are the love/communications styles of  your closet family members? 

Janet & Ian got real deep in this episode, really psychoanalyzing their personal family experiences and pointing out how they influenced where they are today. 

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