In this episode of You Gotta Hack That, Felix sits down with Alex Ward to unpack the real gap in OT security, nerds versus suits. They dig into why “good enough” thinking persists, how risk gets lost in translation between engineers and the board, and why signing off risk can focus minds fast. They also get into the uncomfortable bits, safety, insider threats, and why recovery and business continuity often matter as much as prevention in industrial environments. Expect blunt talk, practical framing, and a few war stories from the OT frontline.