In this episode, Paul Asadorian and Chase Snyder discuss the latest security threats and vulnerabilities affecting network appliances, particularly focusing on Avanti and Fortinet platforms. They explore the increasing risks associated with these devices, the need for improved security standards, and the challenges of risk management and visibility in network security. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accountability among vendors and the necessity for customers to demand better security practices. In this conversation, Chase Snyder and Paul discuss the challenges and vulnerabilities in network security, particularly focusing on network appliances and the lack of standardization in security measures. They highlight the shift of attackers towards these devices due to their low visibility and the need for better transparency and monitoring. The discussion also covers specific vulnerabilities in Fortinet products, the implications of rolling disclosures, and best practices for securing network devices.