New Creation Conversations Episode 009 is a with Dr. Sam Vassel - District Superintendent of the Metro New York District in the Church of the Nazarene. Before becoming DS in Metro New York, Dr. Vassel served as lead pastor of the historic Bronx Bethany Church of the Nazarene for eighteen years.

Sam grew up in Jamaica and graduated from West Indies University. He also has a MA degree from Wheaton Graduate School in New Testament Studies and earned a Doctor of Ministry degree from Columbia Theological Seminary. Prior to joining the Church of the Nazarene, Sam pastored, taught theology, and served as a bishop in the Holiness denomination that had been his home church in the Caribbean.

Drs. Daniels and Vassel have a great conversation about Sam's journey in ministry, the challenge of ministry in a great urban and diverse city like New York, the on-going work of racial reconciliation in the church, a theology of Jubilee, and what is making Sam hopeful in these days for the future of the church.