Join hosts Kyle Johnson, the expert in scaling engineering teams with precision, and Franz Aliquo, the cultural architect behind viral campaigns and Fortune 50 strategy, as they reveal the "dark arts" of elite team optimization.

From Holonic, this podcast invites top minds and successful leaders to dissect the science of creating Product-Oriented Development (POD) teams. We dive into the proprietary curriculum - informed by cutting-edge team science - that builds self-contained, high-velocity units designed for resilience.

Learn the secrets to achieving unparalleled agility, lowering churn, and integrating cross-functional collaborators who drive business value immediately.

Coming soon to your favourite podcast platform!