When is innovation bad? I think it is bad when it takes a forumla that works so well and just tears it apart and rebuilds in an attempt to be 'new' or 'creative'. Honestly, don't try to fix something that works. Instead, ADD to it. An innovative game that works takes a formula that works and just tweaks it slightly usually by adding in something or going back to older styles. Binding of Isaac became a big hit and all it did was take the dungeon style layouts of old Legend of Zelda games and added twin stick shooting to it (Okay I know there is more than that, you get my point though). From there we saw games like Slay the Spire and Enter the Gungeon pop up because the formula was there thanks to Binding of Isaac they just added something extra to it. Speaking of Isaac, adding things, and innovation, perhaps there is an episode on Mods in order....