Covid may be officially over but the legacy is lingering way longer in the prison system than in society at large. As Andy gets ready to start new NHS-funded work with elderly, disabled and vulnerable men he talks about how to hold on to Hope amidst the despair, and breaking the strangle-hold of the culture and practice of 'Learned Helplessness' - an insidious and unexpected consequence of the lockdown years.

These podcasts don't get made unless Tom Haigh of Sound Post Production www.tomhaigh.com and interviewer Tony Maguire www.boxkik.com decide to roll out of bed. Fortunately for me I still seem to be giving them reason to do so. Chapeau, gentlemen.