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Nextcloud Atomic Interview, immutable Nextcloud for single computers


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Complete show notes here. Big thanks to developers Tobias and Marcel for joining the interview. There will be a second part of the interview. Was tempted to write a silly title like Nextcloud Atomic Explodes. If you are curious on related presentations from the past:

  • NextcloudPi podcast interview by Nextcloud
  • NextcloudPi Lightning Talk 2022
  • How to Contribute Panel Discussion 2023
  • You Can Contribute to Open Source Lightning Talk 2023
  • How to Escape Bigtech Techlore Interview 2023
  • Who is in the Interview
    • Tobias is the developer of NextcloudPi, Atomic, and Nextcloud Secrets
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      • Marcel is the developer of Floccus, Nextcloud Bookmarks and Recognize.
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        • James is host of Linux Prepper Podcast. Contributor of documentaton and testing to Nextcloud, NextcloudPi, AIO, Floccus.
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          • (00:14)

            Welcome to this Mini Episode + Lengthy Interview! Detailed shownotes on forum.

            (01:44)

            Nextcloud Conference 9/27 - 9/28 in Berlin

            (01:56)

            SeaGL Conference in Seattle, WA 11/07 - 11/08

            (02:20)

            Sponsor - Ameridroid - use LINUXPREPPER at checkout

            (02:47)

            Odroid H4, Plus, Ultra series

            (03:43)

            Nextcloud service overview and short review, also called Nextcloud Hub

            (06:51)

            NextcloudPi - Managed Nextcloud for Selfhosters

            (08:04)

            Nextcloud AIO or All-in-One is containerized by Nextcloud company proper in Docker

            (08:45)

            Nextcloud Snap

            (09:06)

            Floccus - Cross Platform Browser + Mobile App Syncing to Karakeep, Git, Google Drive, Nextcloud, etc.

            (09:33)

            Nextcloud Bookmarks app

            (10:20)

            Recognize AI app - Smart Media Tagging for Nextcloud

            (10:56)

            Nextcloud Atomic - System Level Wrapper for Nextcloud AIO in Podman. WIP

            (12:20)

            Prototype Fund - For Developers Contributing to Open Source

            (14:31)

            Interview Begins with Tobias Introduction

            (15:43)

            Hire Tobias Freelance!

            (15:58)

            Marcel Introduction - Listen to his previous episode interview on AI in Nextcloud

            (18:18)

            What is NextcloudPi? Not actually made for only the Raspberry Pi

            (21:29)

            How Tobias became involved in NextcloudPi project, then Atomic

            (26:39)

            Architecture and Efficiency of Maintenance

            (29:21)

            Starting as an early Nextcloud project and the rise of containers + AIO

            (32:59)

            Build system of NextcloudPi with Bash as opposed to containers

            (35:55)

            Development of Atomic through containers

            (37:03)

            Immutability - Fedora Silverblue, NixOS, Fedora CoreOS & iOT, openSuse MicroOS, etc.

            (39:30)

            SkiffOS - early contendor for Atomic. Embedded Linux Systems from Scratch

            (41:02)

            Updates and security in SkiffOS and Buildroot

            (42:50)

            mkosi by Systemd in combination with Debian & Armbian

            (45:46)

            Nextcloud Atomic upgrade process for developer

            (51:23)

            How major upgrades will be handled for users

            (54:04)

            Is Atomic upstreamed to AIO; use of Podman

            (57:24)

            Management of Nextcloud Apps within Nextcloud. Updates breaking apps.

            (59:06)

            Will I now be able to use imagick on the operating system by default?

            (01:01:47)

            Support for users making their own changes: Jellyfin, etc.

            (01:05:55)

            “Untested” Nextcloud update handling in Atomic

            (01:09:38)

            Who is the target audience of Atomic vs NCP?

            (01:15:49)

            The future of NextcloudPi

            (01:18:30)

            Conference Lightning Talk in Berlin for Atomic

            (01:19:12)

            Marcel thoughts on NextcloudPi and Atomic

            (01:20:08)

            What has Tobias learned from the last 6 or 7 years?

            (01:23:34)

            How James became involved with NextcloudPi, Discourse, and Nextcloud

            (01:25:25)

            Tobias on how the community contributes to the project

            (01:27:00)

            How to Contribute Panel at Nextcloud Conference 2023.

            (01:28:00)

            How can future contributors to Atomic help Tobias?

            (01:32:40)

            Ways to Contact, Hire or Learn more about Tobias & projects.

            (01:33:37)

            Ways to Contact or Learn more about Marcel & projects

            (01:34:19)

            Next episode will discuss fundraising, how they handle donations, other interests, life balance, containers

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              • Events
                • Nextcloud Conference 9/27 - 9/28
                • SeaGL Conference 11/7 - 11/8
                • Self-hosted Tools
                  • Nextcloud - Biggest FOSS application in file sharing and online collaboration. Has grown from a dropbox alternative to a Google Suite alternative. Massive app store. Attempts to be a jack of all trades.
                  • NextcloudPi - Managed image of Nextcloud for hands-off, single machine selfhosting.
                  • Nextcloud All-in-One, or AIO. Containerized Nextcloud.
                  • Nextcloud Atomic - Immutable system-level wrapping of AIO for hands-off, single machine selfhosting. Currently in active development only.
                    • Roadmap
                    • Nextcloud Apps, available within Nextcloud itself
                      • Bookmarks app
                      • Recognize app for local AI/ML media tagging for Nextcloud: recognizes faces, objects, landscapes, music genres
                        • Hear previous episode interview on Recognize and use of AI in Nextcloud as an open source project.
                        • Software Spotlight
                          • Floccus - Cross-platform Firefox, Chrome, Vivaldi, Brave bookmarks sync for Nextcloud, Linkwarden, KaraKeep, Git, Google Drive or WebDAV server. Also offers dedicated mobile apps for iOS and Android.
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