Simon Morris speaks to the winners of the Ngaio Marsh crime writing awards which are to be announced on Saturday the 31st of October at the Word Christchurch Festival. Becky Manawatu won the award for best crime writing for her novel Auē and R.W.R. McDonald has picked up the award for best new crime writing with his debut novel The Nancy's. They both speak to Simon Morris about the wide world of crime fiction in 2021.