In this episode of Leading in the Dark, Nick Akers reconnects with Alan Bulmer of Hawkins Watts in New Zealand. Alan shares his unconventional leadership journey—from food technologist to operations and sales leader—and how adversity and adaptability shaped his career. He dives into the cultural nuances of New Zealand’s workplace, the power of mentoring, and the company’s unique approach to hiring and developing talent. With wisdom rooted in a Māori proverb—"What is the most important thing in the world? It is people, it is people, it is people"—Alan offers a people-first perspective on leadership, growth, and legacy.