Forget your parents’ advice: Nick Loper wants you to quit your day job. The founder of Side Hustle Nation and host of podcast The Side Hustle Show has made a career out of helping other people follow their non-9-to-5 dreams.

Nick will be the first to tell you that doesn’t mean climbing on a desk at the next staff meeting and shouting your resignation. As someone who traded corporate life for self-employment, he knows it takes planning, structure, and emotional support.

In this episode, Nick defines the difference between a side hustle versus a second job, explains how to know when it’s time to switch to a new career and lays out what you need to do before taking that full-time step.