Tom in for Nick and joined at the top of the show by BHA Chief Operations Officer Richard Wayman. Richard discusses changes the the 2025 Fixture List and what the results of the first quarter of the two year trial tell us about its effectiveness. Broadcaster and journalist Lydia Hislop gives her view on both what Richard had to say and her concerns regarding the initial report and why sweeping change might be hard to come by going forward. And we are also joined by National Trainers Federation CEO Paul Johnson who describes their position. On the eve of the Shergar Cup Josh Stacey has been to meet some of the international riders and we get the Timeform perspective on the Group 1 Keeneland Phoenix Stakes with Dave Ord.