I talk with Nicky Beer (Real Phonies and Genuine Fakes) about torrin a. greathouse's poem "Abecedarian Requiring Further Examination Before a Diagnosis Can Be Made." We talk cripple-punk, bad doctors, abecedarians and formal choices, and a "transgender arm." Afterward, we play a game about beer (not Nicky).

Also mentioned:

• Natalie Diaz's "Abecedarian Requiring Further Examination of Anglikan Seraphym Subjugation of a Wild Indian Rezervation"
• The literary journal Copper Nickel
• Dolly Parton's "Jolene"
• Dolly Parton's "Jolene" slowed down