The Ukrainian people -- all of the Ukrainian people -- need catharsis and reconciliation before healing. When they can begin, in the face of ongoing war with Russia, is the question we put to Ukraine scholar Nicolai Petro, whose book, "The Tragedy of Ukraine: What Classical Greek Tragedy Can Teach Us About Conflict Resolution"  is released next week. We talk about the history, the competing identities, and the institutional barriers within Ukraine that have made the East-West conflict what it is today. Dan and Kelley also discuss Russia's decision to ditch nuclear talks and how the one nuclear treaty left between Washington and Moscow could be on its way out forever. 

More from Nicolai Petro:

The tragedy of Crimea -- Responsible Statecraft, 11/24/22

Prospects for Peace in Ukraine: The Non-Military Aspect (VIDEO), Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, April 7, 2022.

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