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Feeling pulled to choose a side in every room you enter? We bring a progressive Christian and a conservative atheist to the same table to ask a harder question: if life doesn’t come preloaded with meaning, what should we build together?

We start by untangling nihilism from its stereotypes. Passive nihilism stares into the void and shrugs; active nihilism treats the blank space as a canvas. From that lens, we revisit Joseph Campbell, Nietzsche’s much-misread “God is dead,” and the cultural panic around moral relativism. Along the way, we connect these ideas to real life: how nihilism once felt like a relief from perfectionism, how parenting teenagers turns abstract meaning into daily practice, and why empathy has become a modern civic baseline that few can publicly reject.

The conversation widens and deepens. We test the limits of logic and faith in debates like “something from nothing,” admit where reasoning runs out, and reflect on the social pressure to perform certainty. We examine evolution, entropy, and the stubborn pattern of life to persist—not as proof of a creed, but as context for how values might emerge. Then we get practical about knowing: defend epistemic rigor, keep Chesterton’s fences, and be cautious when “different ways of knowing” are used to bulldoze standards that keep planes in the air and bridges standing.

By the end, our common ground is simple and demanding: choose active meaning. If objective foundations remain contested, we can still act with courage, compassion, honesty, and care—especially for those watching us learn in public. Subscribe, share with a friend who loves a good disagreement, and leave a review with your take: where do you find meaning when certainty runs out?

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